I don’t like skinny girls. I don’t exactly mind them, and I have met girls who are skinny and hot, but by and large, hotness and skinniness are mutually exclusive. I probably don’t need to say that hotness and fatness very definitely have nothing to do with one another, but I like a girl with some meat on her bones, with something to hold onto, with curves or however you want to put it.
Game in BK also mentioned that he prefers girls 10 or 15 pounds over. This is just a hunch, but I suspect that he really means normal girls – the ones who just aren’t skinny, but would have been recognized as sexy in the 1950s, if such a concept had existed then. They are girls who look like girls as opposed to like boys.
This brings me to the obvious question – why? If so many guys agree that girls with girls’ bodies are hot, why do we always see pictures of girls with boys’ bodies? Why are supermodels and movie stars skinny? Why do girls weigh themselves constantly and try to do everything in their power to lose weight, when even their boyfriends ask them not to?
My answer is simply that heterosexual men like GiBK and me don’t make decisions about what kind of girls we get to see in television programs, movies and modeling clothes. Homosexual men make these decisions, and their aesthetic tastes are more than prevalent in this regard – they are dominant. Homosexual men like looking at men and boys; and given only girls’ bodies in an industry like fashion, it’s understandable that they’d prefer girls with boyish bodies made of straight lines, not curves.
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I think blaming it all on the homos is an oversimplification.
Rarely in life is there is a Single Cause.
Here’s a great old 2blowhards post about this: http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/001886.html
This was surprisingly unconvincing.
I think women have to learn which feminine characteristics are attractive to men, just as men have to learn which masculine characteristics are attractive to women. It’s a curiosity of the modern age that women are choosing to learn this crucial information from homosexuals, who instinctively find men attractive, instead of from heterosexuals.
I don’t have any antipathy toward homosexuals and I think their aesthetic sense is the bedrock of many good things; I just really wish they’d go back to looking at men and let the heterosexual aesthetic dictate what’s attractive about the opposite sex.
How about this – thinness as a class marker. In an age where the lumpenproles are obese lards, it’s easy to overcompensate in the opposite direction.
To be honest, I feel that the whole anti-skinny/anti-anorectic posture is a distraction – a hysteria of the elites. Skinnyness (is that a word?) is not really a problem in our society.
I think women have to learn which feminine characteristics are attractive to men
Yes, but the women who don’t know these things aren’t generally the skinny ones. They’re the ones with a shitty waist-to-hip ratio, slouching posture, fake blonde hair, and a bulging belly, who think they’re hot because their big tits are sticking out.
I fucking hate that kind of chick.
In my experience and from what I observed as a child in America, white trash – the lowest class whites – was characterized either by obesity or by rail-thin skin-and-bones gauntness, even and especially in the same family. I’d never really see a disturbingly skinny black person or a disturbingly skinny Hispanic person, but the skinniest whites were almost invariably trash, with the exception of glandular problems and whatnot.
So I wouldn’t go so far as to say that thinness is a class marker. I’d say that having a healthy body shape is a class marker.
By the way, what are the skinniest Israeli ethnicities? Ethiopians, Yemenites, Russians?
Ethiopians and Yemenis.
Russian women as a group don’t have the same percentage of naturally thin body-types as these two, though I’m sure that they diet harder than everybody else.
Yes, but the women who don’t know these things aren’t generally the skinny ones. They’re the ones with a shitty waist-to-hip ratio, slouching posture, fake blonde hair, and a bulging belly, who think they’re hot because their big tits are sticking out.
I fucking hate that kind of chick.
Ah, I didn’t mean that women ought to learn what men find attractive. I meant that women are hard-wired to find certain masculine traits attractive in men, but that they have no idea what’s attractive to men about themselves without social conditioning.
When communication between the sexes breaks down, you see men doing what they wish women would do (“metrosexuals”) and women doing what they wish men would do (those sexually aggressive Roissyan lawyer girls).
When communication between the sexes breaks down
I have sympathy for that sentiment, but stories like this
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/15/science/la-sci-adrenal-20100815
make me wonder if biology & hormones aren’t partly responsible for these phenomena. A pill to create girly girls!
For some reason I’m now reminded of the deaf activists who, in attempting to deny that they have a disability, now claim that not being able to hear is not only just as good as being able to hear, but arguably even better.
I’ve long blamed the homo fashion designers, because they’ve dominated the fashion industry for so long, and women have long taken whatever they, and homo fashion critics like Mr. Blackwell, have said, as fashion gospel, and they’ve always promoted the Twiggy / Kate Moss look.
I realize there are now self-reinforcing-pro-anorexic groups online (“pro-ana”), and that these are also a factor, but I’m convinced the fashion industry is the main culprit, and who dominates the fashion industry? Mostly European and a few American homos.
http://www.femininebeauty.info/gay-fashion-designers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_fashion_designers
I agree, BTW; skinny girls are not hot. If I can see a girl’s ribcage, even if just the bottom rib bones outlined, when her arms arms are raised, she’s too g.d. skinny for my liking.
It’s an awful time, for old-school men who like women without tattoos or piercings or boob-jobs, but with hair down there (yet not as much as in Commie-era Poland, say; rather, a nice triangle-shape, like that of a cat’s face, hence the colloquial term derived from that; that’s ideal), and with a little meat on their bones. 90% of contemporary chicks one sees in bikinis or less make me want to barf, usually for multiple reasons.
Okay, I don’t know why my first comment ended up in moderation, while my second one got through, except I know wordpress doesn’t like words like ‘n-gg-r’, so maybe ‘h-m-’ is censored, too.
Don’t overlook the deep Jewish involvement in fashion – less in actual clothing design (I think?) but my impression is that a lot of fashion photographers are Jewish, and of course so much of fashion gets to the masses by way of Hollywood. I guess it’s ironic because Jewish women have a reputation for being, let’s say, generously built.
Hmmm, interesting; I hadn’t appreciated that, but of course, it makes sense, esp. regarding Hollywood.
a lot of fashion photographers are Jewish
Is that so?
actual clothing design
This is the traditional realm of those other dusky whites, the Italians.
Is that so?
Sure. In another life I worked as a photographer’s assistant at photo shoots.
Fashion runway models are thin because they act as ‘hangers’ for designer clothes. If a woman has any curves at all she totally changes the way clothes look. I’ve written this post about our current p/c conversations about fat: http://sexliestruth.blogspot.com/2009/09/fat-words.html
It’s been my personal experience that my body type is appreciated by a man’s eye IF I wear the right clothes. I can easily look large when I don’t wear clothes that fit my shape (hour glass). When I dress well I believe I’m preferred over skinny girls and have no desire to get jutting hip and collar bones. Besides our faces begin to look gaunt and that’s quite aging.
Also models and actresses are thinner than what appeals in real life because the camera adds weight. As a chick who takes a ton of pictures for her blog I can attest to this.
This topic comes up over and over again. I think it is time to accept that a great deal of hetero men do indeed find thin girls actractive, and maybe even more find outright androgynous women attractive.
Luc Besson said he was first attracted to Milla Jovavich because of her androgynous appearance. For that matter, even though many actresses are thin, very few conform to the runway model aesthetic. Portman and Jovavich are very skinny women, as examples, but neither are nearly as emaciated as Twiggy.
Also, a lot of runway models, actresses, pornstars et cetera actually have androgynous, slightly masculine features from high levels of serum testosterone during their development. They have broader shoulders, more pronounced jaw lines, and so forth and a less innocuous issue with women with this physiology is that they gain weight like men. That is, a high T girl that is ’15 over’ will not see that go to flattering curves, but show up as a gut and love handles like a middle aged man. The only ways they can maintain a feminine figure is maintaining a lean and fit figure, or gaining well over an additional 15 to pad out thighs, hips and ass to not have that spare tire with skinny hips and flat ass.
I should have said this before, but the most obvious explanation for preference of thinness is that it’s associated with youth.
That doesn’t explain why thinness is (supposedly) more popular than it was in the past. So what we really need to find out is why youthfulness is more prized than it was in the past.
Fashion runway models are thin because they act as ‘hangers’ for designer clothes.
I’m aware of this claim, but I don’t believe it at all. You know why? Some dude invented hangers to act as hangers for designer clothes. But evolution and/or a deity gave us women to, among other things, show us how designer clothes look on women. If designers want people to see what their clothes look like on a hanger, they put the clothes on a hanger. If they want people to see what their clothes look like on a woman, they put the clothes on a woman. But the choice of woman reveals their preferences for men and boys.
If a woman has any curves at all she totally changes the way clothes look.
That’s true and it goes to what I’m saying: most fashion designers, being homosexual men, don’t want to see their clothes on women with women’s bodies, because they prefer to imagine their clothes on boys.
I’ve written this post about our current p/c conversations about fat: http://sexliestruth.blogspot.com/2009/09/fat-words.html
I think we’re talking about two different things. What I’m saying is that men like women who look like women; homosexual men like women who look like boys. What you’re saying, among other things, is that men ought to like women who look like women. Fortunately for you, we already do. It’s only the homosexual fashion designers who haven’t figured this out yet.
It’s been my personal experience that my body type is appreciated by a man’s eye IF I wear the right clothes. I can easily look large when I don’t wear clothes that fit my shape (hour glass). When I dress well I believe I’m preferred over skinny girls and have no desire to get jutting hip and collar bones. Besides our faces begin to look gaunt and that’s quite aging.
It pleases me so much when a girl thinks this way. Dressing to fit your shape is both being realistic and optimistic.
Also models and actresses are thinner than what appeals in real life because the camera adds weight. As a chick who takes a ton of pictures for her blog I can attest to this.
I’ve never noticed that effect actually happening. What I have noticed is that the camera disabuses a person of her self-image. She might like to look in the mirror a certain way, from a certain angle and with a certain lighting – but this won’t come off if she’s not in total control.
This topic comes up over and over again. I think it is time to accept that a great deal of hetero men do indeed find thin girls actractive, and maybe even more find outright androgynous women attractive.
Ok, statistically speaking, a certain minority of heterosexual men are bound to find any kind of woman attractive: short legs, big head. Small breasts, large breasts, floppy saggy breasts. Tattoos and piercings. No tattoos or piercings. Girls stepping on bugs, like I once saw in an episode of The Practice. But in the overall sweep of things, the female body type that men prefer is not androgynous or skinny. It’s somewhere between athletic and pleasantly plump.
Luc Besson said he was first attracted to Milla Jovavich because of her androgynous appearance.
That’s a very disturbing thing to know. When a man is attracted to a man, it doesn’t seem all that weird to me, since I know a lot of homosexuals. But a man who acknowledges an attraction to androgynous women is pretty out of the ordinary.
For that matter, even though many actresses are thin, very few conform to the runway model aesthetic. Portman and Jovavich are very skinny women, as examples, but neither are nearly as emaciated as Twiggy.
Funny you should mention Portman, since I don’t find her particularly pretty at all – not on the screen and not in person the several times I saw her around Cambridge. I’m not saying she isn’t pretty or that she’s not at least an 8, but I could go outside my apartment and guarantee a hotter girl than Portman will walk by within five minutes. As far as Twiggy goes, it doesn’t seem sensible to address the extremes. Obviously there are guys who like the absolute skinniest girl available, just as there are guys who like fat girls on the other extreme.
Also, a lot of runway models, actresses, pornstars et cetera actually have androgynous, slightly masculine features from high levels of serum testosterone during their development. They have broader shoulders, more pronounced jaw lines, and so forth and a less innocuous issue with women with this physiology is that they gain weight like men. That is, a high T girl that is ’15 over’ will not see that go to flattering curves, but show up as a gut and love handles like a middle aged man. The only ways they can maintain a feminine figure is maintaining a lean and fit figure, or gaining well over an additional 15 to pad out thighs, hips and ass to not have that spare tire with skinny hips and flat ass.
That’s really interesting – I didn’t know that.
I should have said this before, but the most obvious explanation for preference of thinness is that it’s associated with youth.
I said it inadvertently when I referred to homosexuals liking men and boys.
That doesn’t explain why thinness is (supposedly) more popular than it was in the past. So what we really need to find out is why youthfulness is more prized than it was in the past.
Fashion is still relatively new as an industry, hence its domination by groups that are traditionally marginalized economically, the Jews and the homosexuals, like other new-ish industries such as film-making and journalism. These groups’ tastes and their neuroses skew their perception of reality when they all get together in a group. Eventually they think it’s normal for grown men to be attracted to boys.
Perhaps we need to differentiate between “girly” thinness and boyish-androgynous thinness (i.e., the biological condition of thinness can exist in a person for various reasons).
I’m reminded of this old Spearhead post:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/02/09/more-mother-teen-daughter-sexual-jealousy-exposed/
I don’t see the connection… but whenever I see girls like that and estimate their ages to be around 15-16, I don’t think, There are some hot girls! Instead I’ll think, There are some girls who are going to be really hot in a few years!
its not about what men and woman think is sexy, its how the girl feels about herself and her image, she may see something different to what others see
its not about what men and woman think is sexy, its how the girl feels about herself and her image, she may see something different to what others see
Only a girl could have written that, because it’s exactly what girls think about men, and the opposite of what men think about girls. That is to say, it’s completely opposite from being true: how a man feels about himself and his image matters a lot to his attractiveness to girls. But men don’t care if a girl has high or low self-esteem or a healthy self-image. What we care about is how pretty a girl is.
Hahaha why don’t you put up a pic of a skinny VS model in that picture? You put up a pic of an aneroxic chick, not a skinny chick. Thin women are hot; deal with it.
I think it’s really sad that women who have fake boobs and starve themselves days before their yearly fashion show are considered so beautiful. I think Victoria’s Secret models are gorgeous, but my boyfriend sure doesn’t think so. He says they are too skinny and too fake. I wonder if my fondness for VS models is because of social conditioning or if I would have thought that regardless. I wish I could look like them, and that’s coming from someone who is a somewhat successful “real size” model and pageant winner.
I wish I could look like them, and that’s coming from someone who is a somewhat successful “real size” model and pageant winner.
R,
Pics or it didn’t happen.
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