A new high for journalism

י״ט בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Tuesday 1 June 2010) · 18 comments

Reporter taking notesThis is from Time Magazine and Reuters:

The Blue-Red divide, by almost every measure, has gotten worse, and the ubiquity of electronic media spreads intense political and cultural disdain in the blink of an eye. The always-enlightening Google reveals that typing in “Obama worse president ever” yields 3.6 million results, versus 1.7 million for “Bush worse president ever” or 1.2 million for Clinton. That stat seems representative of where we have arrived as a nation and illustrative of the relationship between the incumbent president and his critics on the other side.

It’s hard to believe that Time is considered a reputable publication. Jessica Rinaldi apparently has never even heard of Google Insights.

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1 Ronduck כ״א בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Thursday 3 June 2010) at 5:15:05 am

1. I knew that you could lookup the popularity of search terms on Google, but I hadn’t seen the Google Insights page. But then I don’t work at time.

2. I remember reading a book by Robert Kiyosaki in which he related an old saw about Time magazine: Once you picture appears on the front cover of Time, your career is over. Time ran a front page article on how Americans were going gaga over housing at the very peak of the housing bubble! Essentially Time’s perception of reality is so far behind that it only reports on things after they have ceased to be important.

So jut remember Genius, if a reporter from Time shows up at your door seeking to take your picture slam the door in his face.

2 Ronduck כ״א בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Thursday 3 June 2010) at 5:22:20 am

Genius, I have been thinking about something for a couple of weeks now and now that I am here at your blog I feel this is a good time to ask you. When are you going to do your religious duty and fuck Sarah Silverman? You said somewhere on this blog that you are a cohenite jew, so you must be familiar with the religious law on this subject and thus know about your obligations under Biblical Law.

3 Genius כ״א בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Thursday 3 June 2010) at 12:11:39 pm

Google Insights rocks! I use it for everything, like finding out whether Australians say “Merry Christmas” like Americans or “Happy Christmas” like the English people.

I’m a Levi, not a Cohen, but I didn’t realize there was any religious obligation to fuck Sarah Silverman. Not having lived in America for some years, I’m not so familiar with her work, but last year I did download her television show. I couldn’t even make myself watch a full episode. It was crude and just totally unfunny. Moreover, according to Wikipedia she’s old (turning 40 this year). And I don’t even like American Jewish girls. Why do you think I live in Israel in the first place?

4 Ronduck כ״א בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Thursday 3 June 2010) at 9:34:55 pm

1. I didn’t realize there was any religious obligation to fuck Sarah Silverman

As far as I know there isn’t, but I think if given enough time (and beer), I could possibly convince you that such a requirement exists.

2. I don’t watch her program myself since I don’t watch TV at all, but I did run across a bunch of photos online that I thought looked decent. Sarah turning 40 this year was actually what brought the whole subject to mind, since there has been a recent spate of actresses adopting niglets instead of simply getting pregnant. Being a racist myself, I’ve been thoroughly disgusted by this trend and weirdly enough thinking about this subject caused me to think of a prominent Jewess.

Of course, speaking generally she may not be a Jew any longer even if she was born of Jewish mother. A couple of years ago I ran across an article online in which the author stated that Orthodox Jews in NY have started calling Reform Jews “goy”. I think this anecdote, even if false, fits with your account of the mixed marriages in your parents’ synagogue. The US Jewish community probably senses the end is near for them as a group and they realize that anyone left behind in the US will essentially be cut off from Judaism permanently. Those who aren’t willing to emigrate have probably already made peace in their hearts, and although they meet Talmudic requirements as Jews, to me they appear to be already coming over to the gentile side. In a very real sense she is already one of us, which might explain the crude humor.

My belief is that you moved to Israel because you want Jewish grandchildren, the hot women are merely a bonus.

Anyway, back to Silverman’s ass. In the strict legal sense she is still one of yours, and therefore it is your job to keep her from going childless. If you want I think I can even mount a semi-respectable argument that you are obligated to do so.

Of course, if you aren’t willing to do it the task will fall to me, sadly enough.

3. When are you going to get an open thread on this blog?

5 Genius כ״ג בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Saturday 5 June 2010) at 3:34:34 pm

As far as I know there isn’t, but I think if given enough time (and beer), I could possibly convince you that such a requirement exists.

I doubt it. I only hold by the rules that are written down in the Torah.

there has been a recent spate of actresses adopting niglets instead of simply getting pregnant.

I find the term “niglet” very offensive. I have no problem with enlightened, civil discussion of racist ideas and HBD, but comparing human beings to pigs is just trashy.

Being a racist myself, I’ve been thoroughly disgusted by this trend and weirdly enough thinking about this subject caused me to think of a prominent Jewess.

I don’t think you need to be a racist to be disgusted by this. Actresses using these innocent babies as pawns in their self-promotion is nauseating to anyone.

Of course, speaking generally she may not be a Jew any longer even if she was born of Jewish mother.

I’m of the belief that a Jew remains a Jew except by some serious, intentional act of renunciation, such as by converting to another religion or taking up arms against Israel.

A couple of years ago I ran across an article online in which the author stated that Orthodox Jews in NY have started calling Reform Jews “goy”.

I was once called a “Yok” (roughly the UK equivalent of “goy” in this context) by a religious Jew from England who saw me without a kippa. He thought that I was religiously observant myself but trying to “pass” or leave the fold.
Without a doubt, Reform is not Judaism in any recognizable sense. It’s another sect of mainline Protestant Christianity. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but it just isn’t Judaism. That being said, I make a distinction between the religion and the people.

In a very real sense she is already one of us, which might explain the crude humor.

Crude humor and loose morality were considered Jewish traits in many circles in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

My belief is that you moved to Israel because you want Jewish grandchildren, the hot women are merely a bonus.

I’m sure that was some part of the reason, though now I’ve decided not to have children, so I won’t have any grandchildren either.

Anyway, back to Silverman’s ass. In the strict legal sense she is still one of yours, and therefore it is your job to keep her from going childless. If you want I think I can even mount a semi-respectable argument that you are obligated to do so.

Nahhh. I’m really just not attracted to the crude type. I like feminine girls in their early 20s or early 30s.

When are you going to get an open thread on this blog?

What’s an open thread??

6 Ronduck כ״ג בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Saturday 5 June 2010) at 10:13:26 pm

1. I think it is a shame that you have not decided to have children. Hopefully you reconsider your decision since the world doesn’t have enough smart people willing to reproduce. At the very least a smart child of yours would be a benefit to Israel. In fact, now that I think of it God commended Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply”. Now go out and be fruitful.

2. I shouldn’t have used the word niglet here, but it does reflect how I feel. After the 2008 election I decided that one of the flaws in our country is that too many people either do not talk about race or say things they do not believe on the subject. Since the solution begins with me, since I can only control myself, I decided to be honest about my views with my friends and coworkers. I can’t expect my government to hold and express honest views on race if I don’t do so myself, anything else would be hypocrisy or else a form of laziness.

If you ever want to see the Israeli Arabs expelled from your country so the Jews can have it to themselves you will have to start talking about it publicly in your circle of friends and acquaintances.

A lot of right-wingers are still holding on to the multiracial fantasy and talk as if the massive Black crime wave since the 1960′s, the burning of our major Northern cities and the leftwing activism of Blacks is somehow a break with MLK’s legacy. In fact, the desctruction that Blacks have wrought on the US is a direct fulfillment of what that nigger wanted. King is always depicted as a Moses like figure leading his people to freedom to a promised land that he would never see. The problem with this analogy is that people using it never state what the ancient Israelites did to the native inhabitants of the PL once they entered it. If King was the Moses leading the Blacks out of bondage, then Farrakhan is the new leader leading them in their quest to exterminate the wicked (White) tribes that have been judged by their God. The basic biblical illiteracy in this country is astounding, especially in regards to a part of the Bible used as justification for a radical remaking of society. We as a race seem to have quite a few Rahabs on our side like Stanley Ann Dunham.

3. Crude humor may have been a Jewish trait one hundred years ago, but times change. Some Jewesses back then may have been working as prostitutes because of poverty, which might explain the origin of the stereotype. Extreme poverty can cause a people to debase themselves in order to survive.

4. I’m disgusted by the trend of White actresses adopting Blacks because they could have simply gotten pregnant with a child of their own race, but chose not to because their peers and the culture of their industry pressured them to put making films above procreation until they were too old bear their own children. The book of Proverbs is right when it says that a barren womb cries out, if I remember correctly. This behavior is almost a form of cuckolding on a civilizational scale.

5. Reform is not Mainline Protestantism, even if you see cultural similarities between the two. Until Reform Judaism confesses Christ or at least honors Christ in a cultural sense in their synagogues they are not part of any branch of Christianity.

To be really honest I want to see the end of the US Jewish community. Reform Jews promote liberalism while consoling themselves that at least they support Israel. Orthodox Jews want to live a biblical lifestyle, but are unwilling to move to the biblical land that they believe God granted to their people. Also, maintaining both Judaism and Christianity as equals in the public mind is a form of multiculturalism and invites us to allow other forms of multiculturalism too. I support Israel in its struggle to exist, but the Jews of America need to make up their minds as to what it is they really want out of their religion. In one of his posts J stated that just 100k Jews from the US would tip the demographic balance in Israel decisively for the Jews. Despite there being 6m Jews in the US, their entire contribution towards the survival of the Jewish state has been – you.

6. An open thread is a post to your blog in which instead of posting your writing, you simply invite your readers to post whatever they feel like in the comment section of the post. An open thread can be a good alternative to giving out your email address to readers that want to leave something you might find interesting. For an example of an open thread go to racehist.blogspot.com and in the right sidebar you will see a link to an open thread that n/a has posted for his readers to post whatever they feel appropriate. If you do put up an open thread you may want to moderate it to prevent spam and truly offensive content.

7 Ronduck כ״ג בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Saturday 5 June 2010) at 10:19:04 pm

6. In order to tie up all of the loose ends in this conversation I went to the page for Google Insights and typed in “open thread” in the search box. You can see the results for yourself by clicking the link below:

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=open%20thread&cmpt=q

I especially like the map that Google provided as part of my search results.

8 Genius כ״ג בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Saturday 5 June 2010) at 11:17:10 pm

I think it is a shame that you have not decided to have children. Hopefully you reconsider your decision since the world doesn’t have enough smart people willing to reproduce. At the very least a smart child of yours would be a benefit to Israel. In fact, now that I think of it God commended Adam and Eve to “be fruitful and multiply”. Now go out and be fruitful.

I did plan for a long time to have children – lots of them, the more the merrier. But after living in Israel for four or five years, I got to thinking that I didn’t know if I could justify raising children in this society that turns everyone into an asshole at best. Then when I read about the men’s rights movement and the “men going their own way” phenomenon I came to the conclusion that marriage, in its current form, is not an institution in which I’d like to participate. Because of game, I don’t need to get married to have sex, and the rather high probability that I’d have to go through a painful divorce is so unpleasant that it outweighs any benefit of companionship or social acceptance.

I shouldn’t have used the word niglet here, but it does reflect how I feel. After the 2008 election I decided that one of the flaws in our country is that too many people either do not talk about race or say things they do not believe on the subject. Since the solution begins with me, since I can only control myself, I decided to be honest about my views with my friends and coworkers. I can’t expect my government to hold and express honest views on race if I don’t do so myself, anything else would be hypocrisy or else a form of laziness.

That’s fine, but “niglet” is not an opinion, it’s just a slur.

If you ever want to see the Israeli Arabs expelled from your country so the Jews can have it to themselves you will have to start talking about it publicly in your circle of friends and acquaintances.

I talked about expulsion quite a bit before I realized that I was not helping to promote it. Now I talk about it only in ways and in situations when I think I can help. I now mainly think and discuss expulsion in the context of what is happening, rather than what I want to happen.

Reform is not Mainline Protestantism, even if you see cultural similarities between the two. Until Reform Judaism confesses Christ or at least honors Christ in a cultural sense in their synagogues they are not part of any branch of Christianity.

Christianity to me is more than just Judaism + J*sus. There is a Christian conception of God that is fundamentally un-Jewish, Christian notions of reward and punishment, good and evil, life and death, wisdom, politics and ethics that are all opposed by Judaism. In all of the above senses except J*sus, Reform is theologically Christian. With regard to J*sus, I have heard MANY Reform Jews refer to him by his Christian title, Christ (ie, משיח) and it’s hard for me to accept someone as not Christian in the most meaningful sense who believes in all these things.

To be really honest I want to see the end of the US Jewish community. Reform Jews promote liberalism while consoling themselves that at least they support Israel. Orthodox Jews want to live a biblical lifestyle, but are unwilling to move to the biblical land that they believe God granted to their people. Also, maintaining both Judaism and Christianity as equals in the public mind is a form of multiculturalism and invites us to allow other forms of multiculturalism too. I support Israel in its struggle to exist, but the Jews of America need to make up their minds as to what it is they really want out of their religion. In one of his posts J stated that just 100k Jews from the US would tip the demographic balance in Israel decisively for the Jews. Despite there being 6m Jews in the US, their entire contribution towards the survival of the Jewish state has been – you.

There are far fewer than six million Jews in the United States: I estimate between three and four million. J is right except that the demographic balance is irrelevant and would not be tipped by 100,000 additional Jews. What a wave of immigration of that size from the United States would accomplish goes far beyond demographics. Israel would be radically improved in many other ways, though.

9 Ronduck כ״ד בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 6 June 2010) at 12:29:43 am

I’m using the numbers so I can keep track of the conversation. I’m not trying to force them on you though.

5. If the Reform are as Christian as you claim they need to make the jump and convert or they need to return to more orthodox positions. Living in a gray zone between the two religions is bad for them and bad for us, and I think all parties concerned would be better off if they made up their minds.

I’m going to assume that you take a stricter view of who is a Jew than most people who quote the 6m figure.

5a. How would having 100k American Jews improve Israel?
5b. Would you feel the same way if the 100k were Reform?
5c. Would the changes brought about by these Jews make you willing to have children?

2. I get your point on talking about expulsion. There are times when I can’t talk about race. But considering my prior silence on the issue I have felt a special urgency to talk about the matter.

6. Now that you have an open thread, put up a link to it in your header or sidebar so visitors can see it. In the coming weeks and months your open thread post will get buried under the newer posts you will end up putting up and having a link to it will allow your visitors to know you have one.

I would have posted this recommendation to your OT, but I don’t want to crud it up unless I have something to add.

10 Genius כ״ו בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Tuesday 8 June 2010) at 8:53:37 pm

I’m going to assume that you take a stricter view of who is a Jew than most people who quote the 6m figure.

I do. Those surveys are looking for two types of people: people who are Jewish according to Jewish law, and people who are members of the Jewish community. The former is much more flexible than it seems, because Reform conversions are essentially a sham and because Reform recognizes both matrilineal and patrilineal descent (traditionally Jewish descent is matrilineal but the Torah is clear that it is actually patrilineal). The latter’s elasticity is limited only by your imagination. They’re counting anyone who has Jewish relatives, anyone who’s gone to a Jewish school, anyone who belongs to some Jewish organizations like the local JCC, anyone who prays in a synagogue or even anyone who simply states that he believes in Judaism.

The motivation to inflate the number of Jews in the United States is complex and has to do with inflating the importance of the American Jewish community relative to Israel’s Jewish community, which has long been the largest Jewish community in the world but which fact has not been recognized in America; as well as the simple crass ethnic politics of the United States (“there are six million of us, so you politician must listen to what we say more than to that group of only three million members”); as well as internal chest-puffery (“look at me, I’m a big, important man in an important community, rather than a very small minority’s self-appointed spokesman”); and as well as the ideological importance to assimilationists of patting themselves on the back for the success of their assimilation (if the number of Jews in the United States is increasing, their policies are successful, but if it is shrinking, they are unsuccessful).

If you gathered all these five, six or ten million “Jews” in one place and informed them that they are all being counted as Jews, millions of them would be surprised and respond that they are not Jews. Many others who think they are Jews simply aren’t. I advocate counting only the intersection of the two groups above, people who are Jewish according to Jewish law, and people who are members of the Jewish community, since it will give numbers that actually mean something.

5a. How would having 100k American Jews improve Israel?

Mostly culturally and by example. They’d concentrate in certain areas that already have a high proportion of Israelis who were exposed to western civilization (eg, other immigrants from North America, the UK, South Africa, Australia, France and to some extent South America). With such large numbers in certain areas, they could change the nature of those areas to something very different, and serve as a beacon to attract the civil element from the general population. Our lack of standards is just because no one has ever held us to any standard. Certainly any hundred thousand American Jews would have a wonderfully positive effect, but given the nature of those most likely to make Aliyah (community leaders who are dedicated to the future of the Jewish people, young families in productive employment, highly educated, pioneer types) already, the impact would go way beyond just that of any hundred thousand.

5b. Would you feel the same way if the 100k were Reform?

Of course I would. Israel is for all Jews who want it. Reform Jews come here and have pretty much the same positive impact as others, but they’re much less likely to come, I imagine somewhat less likely to stay when they do come, and more likely to get distracted with nonsense and stupidity while they’re here. With the exception of a very few people, there is no Reform in Israel as it exists in the Exile. Reform Jews here are observing most of the commandments both incidentally by being here and also by choice from having studied and made up their minds about things. But I still think their religion is nonsense.

5c. Would the changes brought about by these Jews make you willing to have children?

I’m not having children because I choose not to participate in the marriage racket. If I could have a marriage like my grandparents had, or perhaps even like my parents still have, I’d definitely do it. But when I see how my friends’ marriages end, I know I don’t want anything to do with “marriage” as it currently exists.

2. I get your point on talking about expulsion. There are times when I can’t talk about race. But considering my prior silence on the issue I have felt a special urgency to talk about the matter.

Do you talk about race in a descriptive way or a prescriptive one?

11 Mark Doane כ״ט בסיון ה׳תש״ע (Friday 11 June 2010) at 7:40:10 pm

Just as you use a strict standard for defining who is a Jew I use a strict standard in defining who is a Christian. You can claim that the Reformotards are culturally Christian by pointing to a million cultural similarities but I don’t care. I can point to any random man I choose and claim that that man has a million little similarities with the Jewish community, but unless that random person was born of a Jewish mother, or a Karaite father he’s not a Jew. Between your definition of Jewishness and my definition of being a Christian there is a large group of confused people who are unwilling to make up their minds one way or the other. Given time though the choice will be made for them, since if they remain in America either they or their children will probably intermarry. To use Sarah Silverman as an example she has dated outside of her faith repeatedly and as a liberal airhead she has stated that she does not want children. And there are millions of Sarahs out there.

5a & 5b Your lack of standards come from being surrounded by Arabs and having major sections of your population drawn from Arab countries. The Arabs are not part of Western civilization and to the extent the Jews from the Arab countries participated in the debased culture of that region they are not either. Culturally they are part of Islamic civilization despite being Jews.

2. Do you talk about race in a descriptive way or a prescriptive one?

For now just descriptive since most of the people I deal with are uncomfortable talking about race even though it motivates what they choose when major life decisions come up. I almost want to cry over the issue, because the entire White population refuses to talk over one of the most important issues of our time. The Southern region of the country has often been the only region to talk honestly about race, with the result that they have been ale to organize politically and at least limit somewhat the size of welfare payments. The problem for Dixie is that since so many other regions of the country publicly proclaim their allegiance towards race blindness Dixie has to bury its very valid racism in order to work with these other regions to slow the growth of transfers to coloreds.

I live in one of the most conservative states in the country, and even here politicians constantly bray that they are not racist, even when passing laws that are clearly intended to slow the progress of the Brown Tide. The real problem we have is that 40% of the White race has made common political cause with the coloreds in our country who can vote in order to promote socialism. Half of that 40% does not speak anywhere near as radically as it votes, which makes publicly identifying the markers for that group harder. Even worse, a good portion of the 60% that has not formed an alliance still speaks in a way that makes it easier for the 40% who are traitors to blend in among the White population. As a member of the 60% I sek to change how my faction speaks because over the long term I want to finally expose the 40% and either get them ridiculed publicly so that they will change, or at least make sure that my fellow sixty percenters know why we failed as a group, as a country and as an empire. Even if we can’t save America, knowing what the flaw is in the White population that makes it vulnerable will help us when we try to build something new on the ruins of America. Eventually the focus of the conservative movement will turn from focusing on how minorities vote as a bloc for ruin and theft and on that segment of the White population that has been enabling it all along. And since this traitor fraction comprises 40% of my race it obviously includes a lot more people than just self-described Jews. Those gentile who are art of groups that have been enablers will try to pin the entire blame on America’s tribe of part Hebes.

Of course, once this change in focus occurs from destroyers to enablers the real fun will begin.

12 Genius א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 12:11:16 am

Just as you use a strict standard for defining who is a Jew I use a strict standard in defining who is a Christian. You can claim that the Reformotards are culturally Christian by pointing to a million cultural similarities but I don’t care. I can point to any random man I choose and claim that that man has a million little similarities with the Jewish community, but unless that random person was born of a Jewish mother, or a Karaite father he’s not a Jew. Between your definition of Jewishness and my definition of being a Christian there is a large group of confused people who are unwilling to make up their minds one way or the other. Given time though the choice will be made for them, since if they remain in America either they or their children will probably intermarry. To use Sarah Silverman as an example she has dated outside of her faith repeatedly and as a liberal airhead she has stated that she does not want children. And there are millions of Sarahs out there.

Fair enough. You can use any standard to define who is a Christian that you want (and I don’t have any say in the matter). But I can tell you that what it means to be a Christian and what it means to be a Jew are totally different things. You say that Sarah Silverman “has dated outside her faith,” but we both know that Sarah Silverman has no faith. We also both know that she is a Jew. So Jewishness is not a faith in the sense that Christianity is a faith. In fact, Reform as it was conceived originally in Germany was the first serious attempt to make out of Judaism a “faith” that would be translatable into Christian terms so that Jews could enter society as “Germans of the Mosaic (ie, Jewish) faith.” Before that time, it was universally understood that Jews were a nation apart in Europe and that their faith was just one element in what later came to be described as Jewish identity. Giving up the other parts in favor of “faith” was the bridge that Jews crossed in order to become Germans, French and Americans in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries.

5a & 5b Your lack of standards come from being surrounded by Arabs and having major sections of your population drawn from Arab countries. The Arabs are not part of Western civilization and to the extent the Jews from the Arab countries participated in the debased culture of that region they are not either. Culturally they are part of Islamic civilization despite being Jews.

You’re describing a real phenomenon and I don’t disagree with it, but it is much more limited than that. I believe that the Israeli ethos is essentially Russian. But we aren’t all Russian from the Russian-speaking Jews who came here from the former USSR in the past 20 years; we’re Russian from the first, second and third aliyot from the 1880s to the 1920s (the same years of massive Jewish immigration to the United States). It’s hard to pin this down except just to point out that the more I learn about Russian society back then, the more I realize that the people who shaped Israeli culture were just transmitting to us what they already knew.

Remind me, have you read Mencius Moldbug? If not, you really should.

13 Mark Doane א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 4:37:04 am

I haven’t read Mencius. Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn’t but I never have.

Maybe instead of calling Sarah Silverman a Jew we should say that she is a Hebrew in the racial/national sense. Sarah is…”of Hebrew blood”….which is why she is your responsibility. Families typically pass their religion down through the generations, so Judaism was simply a marker for the extended Jewish family.

If the US had not had open immigration after the Civil War then those millions of Russian Jews that flooded into the US would have instead have moved to Israel. Israel would have had a dysfunctional culture as it has now, but there would be millions more of you. Even now Russian Jews are allowed into the US when they should move to Israel.

A great opportunity for your people has been wasted precisely because of America’s openness. In some ways the emancipation of the Jews has become their downfall.

14 Mark Doane א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 4:51:21 am

Incidentally, just as Israel has to consider its relations with America carefully, it also needs to consider its relations with the English language carefully too. Look at this sentence you wrote:

…we’re Russian from the first, second and third aliyot from the 1880s to the 1920s (the same years of massive Jewish immigration to the United States)

I know what aliyah is but I’ve never seen the term aliyot before, which I assume is the plural of aliyah. I see a lot of Israelis write out common biblical names in English using spellings completely alien to me as an American. I think the root of this is that the King James Version of the Bible was translated half a millenium ago when Hebrew was still a dead language, and the transliterations decided upon then are different than the ones native Hebrew speakers would choose.

I think the other cause of this is that we as Americans are expected to render the names of foreign countries as closely as possible to the native pronunciation instead of using our own native names for other peoples. The problem is that you are not some backward tribe in the third world, but a religious group that the English speaking world has been in contact with since at least the time of Cromwell.

15 Genius א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 12:02:44 pm

I haven’t read Mencius. Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn’t but I never have.

Dude. He’s going to blow you away. Have a taste with Condensed Moldbuggery and then get started with the “Open Letter” series.

If the US had not had open immigration after the Civil War then those millions of Russian Jews that flooded into the US would have instead have moved to Israel. Israel would have had a dysfunctional culture as it has now, but there would be millions more of you.

I doubt it. Israel couldn’t absorb five million people in those years. I imagine they would have gone to Canada, South America and Australia mostly, but also more to western Europe, the UK and South Africa.

Even now Russian Jews are allowed into the US when they should move to Israel.

That was a really sensitive issue in the 1970s when the USSR first started letting Jews leave. Among the activists who’d been pressuring for their release were humanitarians and Zionists, so it caused a rift in the movement. It happened again with the Ethiopian Jews in the 1980s and 1990s: American Jews gave money for them to be sent to Israel, but they weren’t willing to have them join the American Jewish community.

A great opportunity for your people has been wasted precisely because of America’s openness. In some ways the emancipation of the Jews has become their downfall.

Even though it’s natural to see it this way, I try not to. I prefer to take the position that America has been positive for the Jews because, at a minimum, their physical safety has been protected there.

Incidentally, just as Israel has to consider its relations with America carefully, it also needs to consider its relations with the English language carefully too. Look at this sentence you wrote:

…we’re Russian from the first, second and third aliyot from the 1880s to the 1920s (the same years of massive Jewish immigration to the United States)
I know what aliyah is but I’ve never seen the term aliyot before, which I assume is the plural of aliyah.

Sorry about that. I should have added an explanatory link for aliyot.

I see a lot of Israelis write out common biblical names in English using spellings completely alien to me as an American. I think the root of this is that the King James Version of the Bible was translated half a millenium ago when Hebrew was still a dead language, and the transliterations decided upon then are different than the ones native Hebrew speakers would choose.

Perhaps. Israelis are notoriously ignorant and inconsistent in their transliterations into the Latin alphabet. On the street signs here, at a single intersection you can often see the exact same street transliterated two or three ways. I try to balance some adherence to how it actually sounds in Hebrew (and in some cases, how it’s actually written in Hebrew) with some consistency and also with how it’s written in English. I’d never write “Yerushalayim,” for instance, but always Jerusalem or ירושלים.

I think the other cause of this is that we as Americans are expected to render the names of foreign countries as closely as possible to the native pronunciation instead of using our own native names for other peoples. The problem is that you are not some backward tribe in the third world, but a religious group that the English speaking world has been in contact with since at least the time of Cromwell.

I found just the opposite about Americans. You never hear an American saying Deutschland, Yisrael or Paree, but always Germany, Israel and Paris.

16 Mark Doane א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 1:22:48 pm

I look into Moldbug.

Perhaps. Israelis are notoriously ignorant and inconsistent in their transliterations into the Latin alphabet. On the street signs here, at a single intersection you can often see the exact same street transliterated two or three ways.

This is kind of a odd question, but why are the street signs bilingual?

I knew about the numbered aliyah, I was just surprised to see the word aliyot since I have never seen it in English writing.

I might have to concede the point on the last one about placenames.

17 Mark Doane א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 1:23:33 pm

I should have written:

I’ll look into…

18 Genius א׳ בתמוז ה׳תש״ע (Sunday 13 June 2010) at 1:25:30 pm

This is kind of a odd question, but why are the street signs bilingual?

Trilingual, mostly. Hebrew and Arabic are official languages, and it would be crazy to leave out English, which is not an official language but almost rises to that level.

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