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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Reddit: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/i4gpa/iama_by_request_im_a_male_who_was_uncircumcised/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m a male who was uncircumcised and had sex, then I was circumcised and had sex again.&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;I didn&#039;t appreciate the extra sensitivity the extra skin provided, my penis is already sensitive enough... I don&#039;t regret it a bit; although, I wish it was done as a child because it isn&#039;t nearly as easy to forget at an older age... I&#039;m glad I had it done, I enjoy it better now... Masturbation was prob. better, or at least easier before the surgery... I like sex better after but I&#039;m willing to say that&#039;s all confidence based because I usually wrap it up anyway and I didn&#039;t experience a huge difference in feeling during sex...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Reddit: <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/i4gpa/iama_by_request_im_a_male_who_was_uncircumcised/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m a male who was uncircumcised and had sex, then I was circumcised and had sex again.</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t appreciate the extra sensitivity the extra skin provided, my penis is already sensitive enough&#8230; I don&#8217;t regret it a bit; although, I wish it was done as a child because it isn&#8217;t nearly as easy to forget at an older age&#8230; I&#8217;m glad I had it done, I enjoy it better now&#8230; Masturbation was prob. better, or at least easier before the surgery&#8230; I like sex better after but I&#8217;m willing to say that&#8217;s all confidence based because I usually wrap it up anyway and I didn&#8217;t experience a huge difference in feeling during sex&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that is probably the weirdest comment I&#039;ve ever gotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that is probably the weirdest comment I&#8217;ve ever gotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Will S.</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Will S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a Circumsexual (please, don’t call us “circumfetishists”)&quot;

Don&#039;t worry; I&#039;ll just call you a messed-up freak, and otherwise ignore you.

Cheers!

(Oddly, this might be one thing which most pro-circumcision people / neutrals / anti-circumcision people might agree on.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a Circumsexual (please, don’t call us “circumfetishists”)&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry; I&#8217;ll just call you a messed-up freak, and otherwise ignore you.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>(Oddly, this might be one thing which most pro-circumcision people / neutrals / anti-circumcision people might agree on.)</p>
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		<title>By: jakew</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>jakew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 04:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some of us who do get erotic and sexual gratification out of not only the finished product, but also the procedure itself. 

As a Circumsexual (please, don&#039;t call us &quot;circumfetishists&quot;), I understand the sexual pleasure obtained through watching circumcisions, performing them, and having one done on yourself. I was 5 years old when I discovered this desire.

I now edit Wikipedia FULL TIME to reflect my sexual preference, and have been doing so for the last 5 years. See my Wikipedia edits here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some of us who do get erotic and sexual gratification out of not only the finished product, but also the procedure itself. </p>
<p>As a Circumsexual (please, don&#8217;t call us &#8220;circumfetishists&#8221;), I understand the sexual pleasure obtained through watching circumcisions, performing them, and having one done on yourself. I was 5 years old when I discovered this desire.</p>
<p>I now edit Wikipedia FULL TIME to reflect my sexual preference, and have been doing so for the last 5 years. See my Wikipedia edits here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew</a></p>
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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but it sounds awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but it sounds awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: IHTG</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>IHTG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So for me, it would be a rebellion to become religious.&quot;

Genius,
Have you ever read GK Chesterton&#039;s &quot;The Man Who Was Thursday&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So for me, it would be a rebellion to become religious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Genius,<br />
Have you ever read GK Chesterton&#8217;s &#8220;The Man Who Was Thursday&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;I would very strongly consider having it done for its appeal to girls,&quot;

lol if a girl made such a statement for mutilating her genitals the patriarchy will blamed, shrieking feminists shouting &quot;see, she did it for teh menz, omg how they oppress us.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t really care to play the what&#039;s-forbidden-for-girls-must-be-forbidden-for-boys-and-vice-versa game. Besides girls already modify themselves in many ways for men, including surgeries to alter their genitals. 

&lt;em&gt;Anyway, if you ever masturbated with a foreskin you’d have had a good reason to rebel against your religion.&lt;/em&gt;

I grew up eating pork and shellfish, doing all the forbidden labors on Shabbat, and generally without any concept of what&#039;s forbidden by Jewish law. So for me, it would be a rebellion to become religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I would very strongly consider having it done for its appeal to girls,&#8221;</p>
<p>lol if a girl made such a statement for mutilating her genitals the patriarchy will blamed, shrieking feminists shouting &#8220;see, she did it for teh menz, omg how they oppress us.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really care to play the what&#8217;s-forbidden-for-girls-must-be-forbidden-for-boys-and-vice-versa game. Besides girls already modify themselves in many ways for men, including surgeries to alter their genitals. </p>
<p><em>Anyway, if you ever masturbated with a foreskin you’d have had a good reason to rebel against your religion.</em></p>
<p>I grew up eating pork and shellfish, doing all the forbidden labors on Shabbat, and generally without any concept of what&#8217;s forbidden by Jewish law. So for me, it would be a rebellion to become religious.</p>
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		<title>By: namae nanka</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>namae nanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My desire is to enjoy lots of sex, a desire I share with all men&quot;

Tesla will throw a fit...this is too funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My desire is to enjoy lots of sex, a desire I share with all men&#8221;</p>
<p>Tesla will throw a fit&#8230;this is too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: namae nanka</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>namae nanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;True, they could, and the horror of FGM is that it is a real atrocity, not whether it’s performed under anaesthesia in a hospital, or in a tent in the jungle with whatever tools, without anaesthesia.&quot;

http://www.angilbertpress.com/2010/05/circumcision-with-apologies-to-namae-nanka/
http://historyofcircumcision.net/images/stories/resources/rd-rose07.pdf

&quot;I would very strongly consider having it done for its appeal to girls,&quot;

lol if a girl made such a statement for mutilating her genitals the patriarchy will blamed, shrieking feminists shouting &quot;see, she did it for teh menz, omg how they oppress us.&quot;

Anyway, if you ever masturbated with a foreskin you&#039;d have had a good reason to rebel against your religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;True, they could, and the horror of FGM is that it is a real atrocity, not whether it’s performed under anaesthesia in a hospital, or in a tent in the jungle with whatever tools, without anaesthesia.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.angilbertpress.com/2010/05/circumcision-with-apologies-to-namae-nanka/" rel="nofollow">http://www.angilbertpress.com/2010/05/circumcision-with-apologies-to-namae-nanka/</a><br />
<a href="http://historyofcircumcision.net/images/stories/resources/rd-rose07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://historyofcircumcision.net/images/stories/resources/rd-rose07.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;I would very strongly consider having it done for its appeal to girls,&#8221;</p>
<p>lol if a girl made such a statement for mutilating her genitals the patriarchy will blamed, shrieking feminists shouting &#8220;see, she did it for teh menz, omg how they oppress us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, if you ever masturbated with a foreskin you&#8217;d have had a good reason to rebel against your religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Genius</title>
		<link>http://declineofgenius.com/my-life/circumcision-and-intactivism-08062010/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Genius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think it’s odd how your argument seems to vacillate between religious observance and the desire to enjoy lots of uncommitted sex outside of marriage. I don’t think that’s what God had in mind… AT ALL… your circumcision is supposed to remind you that you are a Jew and that you are supposed to live up to the highest moral standard outlined in the laws whenever you think of using your penis.&lt;/em&gt;

Hi Sarah, thanks for commenting. My argument, if it even is one, is exactly as I stated in the post: I am happy that I was circumcised because girls like it that way, and it&#039;s so important to the Jewish people that I would have it done anyway if it hadn&#039;t already been done for me. It&#039;s nice when two separate concerns - like my pleasure and Jewish law - dovetail, but in no way do I conflate the two. 

My desire is to enjoy lots of sex, a desire I share with all men and most women. If marriage, as I understand the term, still existed in this century, I would be in one already. But since it has been eroded to the point that it barely even resembles the former institution that shares its name - yes, all the sex I enjoy is outside marriage. 

There is no blanket prohibition in Judaism against extra-marital sex. Rabbis would have you believe otherwise, but at no point in the Torah does it say anything to the effect that a man is only to have sex with his wives (a married women, however, is forbidden by the Torah from having sex with men other than her husband). 

I don&#039;t think that my overall religious observance should be an issue here, especially since I&#039;ve stated that I don&#039;t consider myself religious, but if you think I haven&#039;t lived up to a high moral standard, I wouldn&#039;t mind hearing why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think it’s odd how your argument seems to vacillate between religious observance and the desire to enjoy lots of uncommitted sex outside of marriage. I don’t think that’s what God had in mind… AT ALL… your circumcision is supposed to remind you that you are a Jew and that you are supposed to live up to the highest moral standard outlined in the laws whenever you think of using your penis.</em></p>
<p>Hi Sarah, thanks for commenting. My argument, if it even is one, is exactly as I stated in the post: I am happy that I was circumcised because girls like it that way, and it&#8217;s so important to the Jewish people that I would have it done anyway if it hadn&#8217;t already been done for me. It&#8217;s nice when two separate concerns &#8211; like my pleasure and Jewish law &#8211; dovetail, but in no way do I conflate the two. </p>
<p>My desire is to enjoy lots of sex, a desire I share with all men and most women. If marriage, as I understand the term, still existed in this century, I would be in one already. But since it has been eroded to the point that it barely even resembles the former institution that shares its name &#8211; yes, all the sex I enjoy is outside marriage. </p>
<p>There is no blanket prohibition in Judaism against extra-marital sex. Rabbis would have you believe otherwise, but at no point in the Torah does it say anything to the effect that a man is only to have sex with his wives (a married women, however, is forbidden by the Torah from having sex with men other than her husband). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that my overall religious observance should be an issue here, especially since I&#8217;ve stated that I don&#8217;t consider myself religious, but if you think I haven&#8217;t lived up to a high moral standard, I wouldn&#8217;t mind hearing why.</p>
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