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		<title>By: Will S.</title>
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		<description>I admit, I just don&#039;t understand secularist Judaism; that is, Jews who, though not religious, still self-identify as Jewish, seeing it primarily as an ethnicity, or, more accurately, as a hyper-ethnicity (since there are several ethnic groups making up the world of Judaism - Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Falashas, etc.).  The reason I don&#039;t get it, is, absent the reason why Judaism existed in the first place - they were Hebrew-speaking people who believed they had a special covenant with God, that they were His chosen ones - why bother to maintain one&#039;s identity as a member of a group that has suffered so much from so many different peoples throughout its history - from the Israelites&#039; neighbours, to the treatment at the hands of the Romans, through medieval Europe, to Inquisition-era Spain, to the Caliphate, to Dreyfus-affair-era France, to early-mid 20th-century Western Europe, to Russia, to the Black Muslims and neo-Nazis of today - why fricking bother, absent a belief in the Covenant-giver, the One who made the Jews a Chosen People?  As a non-religious Jewish girl I used to know bitterly lamented, &quot;Chosen; chosen for what?  To be picked on more than anyone else out there?&quot;  And yet she still strongly identified, and had her goyim fiance officially convert for her benefit!

Whereas, for most Christians, our identity is only tied to our faith; absent the faith, there is no reason to identify with believing Christians, rather than merely one&#039;s nationality, one&#039;s ethnic group, etc.  (I did qualify with &#039;most&#039;, though, because I do know that many non-religious &#039;Protestants&#039; and &#039;Roman Catholics&#039; in Northern Ireland still self-identify thusly and unfortunately accordingly dislike or even hate each other, alas; also, I&#039;ve encountered non-religious &#039;Christians&#039; of Sri Lankan background who wish to make their parents happy by marrying someone who also self-identifies thusly (rather than Hindu or Buddhist), whether or not either of them believe anything.  But in both those situations, Northern Ireland and Sri Lanka, that&#039;s simple tribalism and/or colonialism at work, there.)

Is it just shared experience, and/or sense of high degree of persecution by outsiders, that inculcates the sense of &quot;we&#039;re a people&quot; in secularist Jews, making them want to live amongst their own rather than assimilate completely into the cultures into which they may have been born, and circumcize their children even though not actually believing in the divine covenant thus symbolized?  Or is it some residual level of religious belief, even though most would likely deny such?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit, I just don&#8217;t understand secularist Judaism; that is, Jews who, though not religious, still self-identify as Jewish, seeing it primarily as an ethnicity, or, more accurately, as a hyper-ethnicity (since there are several ethnic groups making up the world of Judaism &#8211; Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Falashas, etc.).  The reason I don&#8217;t get it, is, absent the reason why Judaism existed in the first place &#8211; they were Hebrew-speaking people who believed they had a special covenant with God, that they were His chosen ones &#8211; why bother to maintain one&#8217;s identity as a member of a group that has suffered so much from so many different peoples throughout its history &#8211; from the Israelites&#8217; neighbours, to the treatment at the hands of the Romans, through medieval Europe, to Inquisition-era Spain, to the Caliphate, to Dreyfus-affair-era France, to early-mid 20th-century Western Europe, to Russia, to the Black Muslims and neo-Nazis of today &#8211; why fricking bother, absent a belief in the Covenant-giver, the One who made the Jews a Chosen People?  As a non-religious Jewish girl I used to know bitterly lamented, &#8220;Chosen; chosen for what?  To be picked on more than anyone else out there?&#8221;  And yet she still strongly identified, and had her goyim fiance officially convert for her benefit!</p>
<p>Whereas, for most Christians, our identity is only tied to our faith; absent the faith, there is no reason to identify with believing Christians, rather than merely one&#8217;s nationality, one&#8217;s ethnic group, etc.  (I did qualify with &#8216;most&#8217;, though, because I do know that many non-religious &#8216;Protestants&#8217; and &#8216;Roman Catholics&#8217; in Northern Ireland still self-identify thusly and unfortunately accordingly dislike or even hate each other, alas; also, I&#8217;ve encountered non-religious &#8216;Christians&#8217; of Sri Lankan background who wish to make their parents happy by marrying someone who also self-identifies thusly (rather than Hindu or Buddhist), whether or not either of them believe anything.  But in both those situations, Northern Ireland and Sri Lanka, that&#8217;s simple tribalism and/or colonialism at work, there.)</p>
<p>Is it just shared experience, and/or sense of high degree of persecution by outsiders, that inculcates the sense of &#8220;we&#8217;re a people&#8221; in secularist Jews, making them want to live amongst their own rather than assimilate completely into the cultures into which they may have been born, and circumcize their children even though not actually believing in the divine covenant thus symbolized?  Or is it some residual level of religious belief, even though most would likely deny such?</p>
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